My advice to Colleague: Dont vote DA
Last Friday I had two separate conversations with two colleagues about politics.
Since political choices are personal, I don’t usually bring up the topic unless asked. Except on my blog of course.
Friday though I jokingly asked a colleague if he changed his mind about voting for COPE.
He said no, and then asked if I seriously wanted an ANC 67% majority.
Of course not, I replied. I want the ANC to govern with a viable opposition and I hope COPE is that opposition.
I have already given him some friendly advice to NOT VOTE DA! Fortunately he feels the same about the DA as I do.
The second colleague told me she’s confused about the election.
Since I had never discussed politics with her before and didn’t know her opinion, I told her to NOT tell me if she votes DA.
She replied, that she didn’t even want to attend church on the Sunday Helen Zille was appearing to the congregation.
She is an ANC voter who like me, doesn’t feel comfortable about voting for Zuma and Allan Boesak isn’t an option.
I mentioned the ACDP (since she’s religious) and the Independent Democrats, but she still looked confused.
My advice was, vote for whoever she wants to, JUST NOT THE DA!
I did my good deed for the day!
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21 Responses to “My advice to Colleague: Dont vote DA”
By Craig on Mar 30, 2009 | Reply
You have not given one good reason or fact not to vote DA. And don’t give that ANC rubbish that the DA is a racist party. We all know that is not true. You won’t vote for Zuma or Boesak because of corruption – then why not vote DA – can you think of ONE corruption allegation against them. Then there is governance and service delievery. The DA are performing way beyond levels set by the ANC government when they were in power – even with ANC interference. So before you ADVISE someone who to vote for, maybe look at things in an unbiased way. Look at the facts, not just what Julius Malema tells you to say.
By Abigail Abrahams on Mar 30, 2009 | Reply
Craig,
I have given many reasons for not voting, DA, and if I am responsible for 1 other person not voting DA, my job here is done.
In your previous reply to me, you mentioned Helen Zille not knowing about a broken tap in Khayelitsha. Why not? Where’s service delivery to the Cape Town townships? Do only the suburbs matter? Should the Mayor of Cape Town not make it her business to find out what’s happenening in the whole city?
Just this morning on Cape Talk Mitchell’s Plain residents phoned in to talk about the DA handing out food parcels to get votes in last week’s by-election. Above the fray? I think not!
I do not profess to be unbiased. I am in actual fact very biased towards the ANC and against the DA.
Unlike the mainstream media who profess to be unbiased, but show long shots of thousands of ANC supporters attending rallies and short camera angles of a few DA supporters following their leader around the courntry.
By Aimee on Mar 30, 2009 | Reply
You express no logical point about why people shouldn’t vote DA. They are delivering on their promises and are responsible for the best run city in South Africa.
As far as i can see, the DA is the ONLY option to vote for.
By Abigail Abrahams on Mar 30, 2009 | Reply
Aimee,
Good for you that your vote is locked in.
Logic seems to be in the eye of the beholder though.
Cape Town has ALWAYS been the best run city in the country. All my life certainly. Does that mean we have to vote the Nats in again?
That seems logical, yet unpalatable to me.
By Stormers fan on Mar 31, 2009 | Reply
This election is going to be contentious no matter who we vote for. Like you Abigail, Jacom Zuma is a no go for me. As is Allan Boesak. Both of them are far too tainted with the brush of corruption and to even have someone like Boesak stand for election is just ludicrous.
As for logic in the election for the Western Cape, COPE this year is also not an option for a large enough opposition, maybe in the next election or the one after. The DA however still provides enough of an opposition to the ANC, at least in the Cape in this election. Maybe in the next election COPE could show more gumption and get rid of Boesak. He is however still a very popular man so that might not happen, which is a pity.
If only Patricia de Lille had a bigger slice of the pie, I have always liked her. Pity her party is nowhere near popular enough to win more of the votes in order to become a viable opposition.
For now, it is my opinion that the DA would be the logical choice in this election for opposition to an ANC majority, with a possible alliance with COPE in the future. No other party comes close to keeping the ANC in check as of yet as a viable opposition. If COPE gets their act together and realises just what a big mistake having Boesak on their party ticket really is, then maybe they could just swing it.
As for who delivers on promises, honestly, which political party and politician has ever delivered on their election promises? There’s always come backtracking, some keeping donors happy and inevitably, the voter loses out.
And sometimes it is better to make your mark for a party you do not stand with in any way, shape or form in order to keep the one you don’t want, out. Even if that party is the one you support anyway. Compromise at grass roots level can leave a bitter taste after an election but what’s worse? As a voter you have to weigh your options carefully and make a logical choice, leaving the heart at home. Impossible to do though as politics involves every fibre of one’s being as can be seen whenever politics is discussed.
And while it is true that Cape Town has been the best run city for many many years (I was born there in 1970), it’s not the political party that is responsible but rather a whole slew of government workers (irrespective of political affiliation) who go to work every day and do their jobs, instead of sitting on their butts and wasting tax payers’ money.
Political affiliation aside, go with what’s best for the area.
By Abigail Abrahams on Mar 31, 2009 | Reply
Stormers fan,
You and I are a similar age, although I bet you haven’t been called immature by strangers in a while
As to your comment – as usual you make good points in a very clear, fair manner.
For me though, the DA is not a choice for historical reasons. Plus I utterly dislike Helen Zille which again could be for historical, rather than personal reasons. Although I really, really, really dislike the way she gets all high and mighty too.
I am not ready to vote for a white party and I doubt it will ever happen, regardless of how many black people Mrs Zille carts around the country with her.
Ideologically, politically and emotionally, I am an ANC supporter. In the Western Cape I will definitely be voting ANC, regardless of the candidate.
Nationally though, I am considering the ID, although they are likely to again form an alliance with the DA. Of course only if Jacob Zuma continues to be on the ballot. I’m still hoping.
The onlyl reason I won’t vote for Zuma is in protest for that poor woman who was forced into having sex with him.
Maybe I still will vote for De Lille because it won’t matter nationally. Or I will leave that space empty.
Hopefully COPE will turn into a viable opposition.
If they had not affiliated themselves with Allan Boesak, they would have been a lot more viable in the WC. I would gladly have recommended them to friends who asked my opinion and wasn’t comfortable with the ANC.
South Africa needs a strong opposition and the ANC needs to be held accountable in parliament.
By Stormers fan on Mar 31, 2009 | Reply
Oh I’ve been called many many names, immature the least offending! Ja, I thought we might be similar in age
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I agree, the ANC does need to be held accountable, that’s why I like Patricia de Lille. She’s never been afraid to say whatever comes into her head. Always controversial, just not enough support.
There are 2 reasons I will never vote for the ANC, one – Jacob Zuma, two – Winnie Mandela.
God help us all if she ever gets anywhere near a presidential seat. I think then I really will join my friends in Australia.
If COPE had left Allan Boesak off their ballot, if they had shown any integrity, I would be voting for them locally and nationally. Unfortunately, they have once again proven that politics is still a dirty game. For a party who professes to be anti corruption and anti what the ANC has become for many of it’s members, they’ve sucked up the embarressment that is Allan Boesak and taken him aboard with open arms. Something I am most definately not comfortable with.
I understand that for a few more years some of our parlimentarians will have a criminal record. I get that. But what I cannot fathom is why this country’s political parties seem fixated on having relatively new criminals or those tainted with recent crimes (even if they still have to be proven in a court of law) run this country?
As a staunch ANC supporter maybe you can address that for me? Why is it that even with the track record of the ANC, the corruption, the arms scandal, the various government leaders that have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar…why still vote for a party that doesn’t seem to have their citizens’ interests at heart? Is it because there is no real alternative? Or the fear of voting a white party in, again?
By Abigail Abrahams on Apr 1, 2009 | Reply
Stormers fan,
I don’t speak for other ANC supporters, but the ANC has done a lot for our people. If you look around you, look at your tv screen and you’ll see what the ANC has done for black people.
Access to social grants, health care (as bad as it is) right in townships, houses, electricity and water, etc. African Black pensioners didn’t even get a pension and the tier that was paid to others put white pensioners right on top, receiving the most money. A share in the economy, etc.
Even if the services aren’t close to being perfect, it is more than people had before. Can you imagine what it must have been like before 1994 if this is better?
You can’t tell me you haven’t noticed more middle class and rich black people than pre 1994.
As for Jacob Zuma: as much as I think he raped that woman who accussed him, he was found not guilty in a South African court. When we (the public) agree with a court’s decision, we say we must accept it, and when we don’t we moan and groan. Probably natural, but still.
And Zuma has not even been tried on corruption charges and we (the public again) have declared him guilty. But what happens if he does get tried and the courts doesn’t find him guilty? Will we move on? I think not!
The perception created by apartheid is still there. Black is bad and white is good. Actually it’s not only apartheid that caused that perception – it’s been like that forever.
By the way, I’m sure you know our parliament has rules that no citizen who spent more than 1 year in jail post 1994 can be an MP. Anyone can (and of course the DA has) make objections if the rules are being broken.
Winnie Mandela was approved, so if she chooses, she can take up a seat in parliament. Although I have never been a Winnie fan, she was known as the mother of the nation during her then husband’s incarceration on Robben Island. She obviously has the respect of the people in the townships.
15 years is not that long ago. People remember, there are still scars – some deeper than others.
What I don’t understand is why people who benefited from apartheid now wants us all to forget that it existed. Stupid question I guess, because that is really the reason. They want to pretend that the playing field is even now.
It is getting there through BEE and AA, but it’s not yet!
Of course no one liked apartheid now. No one asked how the National Party continually got into power year after year.
Personally, I don’t fear a white party in power again. I just hope it never happens in my life time or I might join the rellies in Aus. Not really!
Oh and the ANC is not a corrupt organisation. Yes, there are corrupt politicians, some of whom were jailed for it – like Tony Yengeni. On the other hand some people in the ANC do not believe Jacob Zuma to be corrupt. That’s their right, just as we have the right to believe the contrary since he was not even tried yet.
To be honest, when I really think about, I know I will vote ANC nationally as well, despite Zuma. Because I know things have changed for many people and I hope it changes for more.
By Stormers fan on Apr 2, 2009 | Reply
Abigail, yes I agree that the ANC has done a lot for black people. That’s not the problem I have with them as a political entity.
The rape trial, just my opinion, made a farce of reporting a rape in this country as well as the AIDS epidemic. Remember how the poor woman was villified in the press?
We had Thabo Mbeki claim that AIDS and HIV are not related, there is no link between the two, we had his then Minister of Health who made a farce out of the treatment of people suffering with the disease by claiming that pills didn’t work, eating certain food items did. Now Zuma’s claim that he washed the AIDS virus off with water and soap. Not a good trend in combating a disease that is eating away at the heart of the youth of this country (but that’s a totally different rant on my part and something I feel needs to be addressed at all levels in the private, business and government sectors).
About ANC corruption, no the party is not corrupt, but the party leaders…they leave a lot to be desired. Zuma aside, travelgate? Various members of parliament that have over the years been found with their hands deep in the cookie jar? Winnie’s fraud conviction? The arms deal which will now probably never see the light of day if the NPA don’t go ahead with a trial? All these actions by leaders of the party lead me to believe that there is a rotten core that currently exists. Not a good thing when you are trying to make things better for your people and to run a country. One could even argue that the Nats, much like the ANC today, ran a country into the ground for the majority of its citizens…look what happened to them….history ofentimes repeats itself.
Oh and on the white thing, yes, many whites believe blacks should just shut up and get on with their now priviledged lives. Especially up here! Well up here they wish the AWB was in charge but that’s a whole different post!
On that subject though, there comes a time when the past, although totally relevant and not to be written off, should be seen as something to be learned from and not constantly being brought to the forefront unneccessarily.
Children born after 1990 are now teens, they never lived through apartheid, they only know what their own family members tell them and what they learn at school. These are kids who have no idea what it meant to live under apartheid, they have no idea what a pass is, or how humiliating it is to be told to get out of the whites only parts of public transport, buildings, toilets. Forced removal is just a concept to some of them. They have no idea of the fear of whites during a terror campaign, when newspapers were full of the swart gevaar that the Nats were so fond of. They are our future leaders and we have to set an example for them.
I don’t think, currently, that the ANC leadership is a good example for our youth.
As for voting for a party because they have brought about change…its a good thing. However, and this is where I walk away from them, they got it right 14 years ago but they are not the party to run this country in the future. We need a political entity that has the balls to grab at every opportunity this country presents, instead of sitting on their laurels. They freed 80% of the people in this country but they are not doing much more than that. They keep coming back to how they fought for freedom and how they are changing things for the better but the time for freedom fighters has long since passed. It’s time the freedom fighters put down their now imaginary weapons and became representatives that their constituents can vote for.
For me, voting doesn’t mean that I remain loyal to my party. Hell if I am honest I have no idea who my party is even supposed to be. But that aside, if I was loyal to a particular party but that party was not performing, I’d vote for their official opposition because that’s the only way a party can know if it is successful or not. If their power base walks out and shows their dissatisfaction by not voting for them.
And that is the core of my question to you. Why, when people are unhappy with a party, keep them in power? Why not make a change? Some people I have spoken with (black and white) keep saying that they will keep on voting for their respective parties even when those parties disgust them. I ask why? What’s the point? You may as well then not even vote or spoil your ballot. And that really is what I cannot fathom.
By Abigail Abrahams on Apr 5, 2009 | Reply
Hi Stormers fan,
About the rape trial…rape is a very hard case to prove, especially when the adult woman was willingly in the guy’s home, not ony in this country. Even though I was very hurt and angry at the time, I don’t blame the courts entirely. I’ve been in a similar situation just before the Zuma case was made public, so I know how that woman felt. I think many women have been in that situation where its someone you know and even like and you don’t feel like you were in danger, nor were you physically hurt. The guy might not even think he’s doing anything wrong. In my case there was no threat of STDs as I insisted on using protection. Only a few days later did I start feeling terrible – I was not given a choice and I said no, but in the end he might think I was consenting because there was no struggle. To be fair, how does the courts decide on that?
Regarding Mbeki and Msimang – well, that’s indefenseable. Although this Zuma government seem to be more proactive where HIV is concerned. Right after Manto was ‘redeployed’, the Treatment Action Campaign reduced their staff, saying (on radio) that they felt like the new government (after Mbeki) was doing a lot more to fight the battle against HIV/AIDS. However bad Manto and Mbeki were though, billions of rands went into HIV awareness campaigns through NGOs, overseas funding etc. Again on a personal level through my work, I am aware that people do not want to hear about the disease anymore, we even had to take the HIV/AIDS compononent out of our training. Also it was felt that there were far too many other places doing the training anyway. Where does government end and personal responsibility begin though?
Re corruption Stormers fan, here I disagree with you too. Allegations about corruption is not enough in my book. If there is proof, charges must be layed with the police and those politicians must be tried in a court of law, just like any of us would be. If they are found guilty, they will lose their seats as per parliamentary law of the land.
Here is my problem…the media prints whatever they want without backing up their facts. We read about Zuma’s corruption charges on a daily basis, but what are the charges exactly? We read about the arms deal, but what exactly is the problem with the deal. I’ve heard both sides explained on Capetalk and still not 100% sure of what’s going on.
Where’s proper unbiased investigative journalism? Why not give both sides of the story instead of trying to influence the story. Where are the non governmental watch dogs and opposition parties to keep government in check? As I’ve said, if there’s allegations and proof, why not charge?
Why are we so quick to believe that this government is corrupt to the core?
This is why the ANC gets the black vote. Because if the media was fair, we would not be looking for hidden agendas. If they spoke of the good the ANC does, we would be more likely to believe the bad.
During the latest Gaza war in Israel, my colleague and I were discussing and I told her that when the Israeli’s speak I see Hamas’ point of view and when Hamas speak, I see the Israeli’s point of view.
Here in SA we don’t even get the ANC’s point of view, just the opposition. The media is so intent on their anti-ANC mission that they’re strengthening ANC supporters resolve to prove them wrong.
Stormers fan, you say children born after 1990 have not lived under apartheid, etc. But they are still living with consequences of apartheid. Many of them are still living in the situations created by apartheid. Many areas as segregated as ever. How many other people live in townships? School in townships are still overcrowded? Children in the suburbs are still getting a better education and nearly 100% of those children are still white.
15 years is not a long enough time to change not only our mindsets but also circumstances.
If I say that I believe the ANC has done much to keep our economy strong, long after many of the first world started crumbling, I’m told “that’s all the ANC did”. If I say they’ve given more people access to services, then I’m told it’s not enough.
It’s enough for me. The fact that the ANC knows that they’ve not half completed the job and that there’s much more that they can and have to do – that’s good enough for me.
I am proud of the ANC’s freedom fighting background, but also satisfied that they are doing what is best for me as a citizen. The rest is my responsibility.
Maybe in 2014 there will be an opposition party that offers something that else, but this year there is no alternative for me.
I don’t expect the government to get involved in every aspect of my life.
By Stormers fan on Apr 6, 2009 | Reply
I mostly agree with you Abigail.
There is much still to be done, not an easy task for any government. Figures pre 1994 and post 1994 for service delivery, our economy etc are on the whole much better for the majority of South Africans and that is something that many whites sometimes struggle to understand. They have had to share the spoils as it were. And when you are used to having it all, to have it suddenly taken away as a privilege….you get the picture I am sure.
I read an article sometime last year in one of the newspapers in Pretoria that put it a bit more in perspective for me (I forget who the jounalist was). She basically said that the ANC has been used to doing their business dealings in the dark, with a bit of a bribe under the table. Think back to before they were unbanned and how they had to get funding, weapons, training, whatever else they needed while in exile. It’s not that the ANC as an organisation is inherently corrupt, it’s more that once you do things a certain way it becomes more difficult to change. The article was quite enlightening.
Anyhow, made me think out the box a bit more.
I do agree wholeheartedly about there not being an opposition party this year. I sit in a situation where COPE just doesn’t sit right with me right now, the DA doesn’t have enough of a base up here (and honestly I haven’t really been interested in following their party politics since we moved here) and I have never felt right about voting for the ANC. So, that leaves me with the Freedom Front…!
They are the only party so far that has openly come out to the suburbs on a visiting spree!
By WaZzA on Apr 6, 2009 | Reply
Hello Abigail hope you have been well. Still on your baseless anti DA crusade I see. “Good deed for the day” what nonsense really.
By Abigail Abrahams on Apr 6, 2009 | Reply
Howzit WaZzA- good to see you again.
I see I haven’t convinced you yet?
By Clubber on Apr 6, 2009 | Reply
Hi Stormers Fan,
You have asked about the worst person on this planet for political advice in the form of Abigail Abrahams. I am afraid to say she can’t even give herself advice, let alone other people when it comes to politics for the simple reasons:
(a) She contradicts herself all over the place and changes her tune on issues when it suits her (Carefully read her comments on this thread and you will pick this up in multiple places.)
(b) She is a racist. She hates White people. That is clearly indicated with her comments about ‘She will never vote for a White party’ etc. If that is not racist then I don’t know what.
(c) She is confused and brainwashed by ANC propaganda.
(d) Her head is so far up the ANC’s arse every time Comrade Zuma speaks you see Abigails tongue coming out of his mouth.
Let me take the liberty of answering your question as follows:
And that is the core of my question to you. Why, when people are unhappy with a party, keep them in power? Why not make a change?
You have answered the question yourself! Let’s get to the heart of the matter. In its simplest form you can view political parties as ‘companies’, selling ‘products’ into a consumer market. Assuming that the market place was based on free market principals you have multiple companies (Political Parties)offering their wares. As a consumer you would be driven by Economic fundamentals which is limited resources, unlimited wants. You would want to best satisfy your wants & needs through specific products. You are going to factor in price, quality, availability and after sales service as key areas to ensure your satisfaction. If a company and its product is meeting your needs you will stick with this brand. In other words lets assume you enjoy Coca-Cola you will stick with the brand. If however Coca-Cola decides to change its recipe who perhaps hikes pricing to excessive levels you are no longer going to support this company and will look for alternatives. You are merely excercising your consumers rights. In a Democracy you too have the right to choose the best option through the ballot box and that is why is the ruling party (dominant ‘company’ in the market) is not satisfying your needs it is a no-brainer that you need to look at alternatives. Clearly the ANC is failing the masses. Despite what Abigail states here, the reality is that many of the ‘gains’ the ANC has made in the past 15 years or should we say ‘improvements’ over what the Nats did, have been exceeded by their failures. As an example the Roads infrastructure in S.A. has declined drastically under ANC rule. Load-shedding i.e. inability to provide Electricity has been another ANC failure (The Nats had to mothball power stations – the ANC can’t even build power stations), Water is going to be the next area to go under ANC rule, the health care sector has gone down the toilet (The Nats had the best government hospitals in the world), education is a shambles (Nats offered the best education in the world) and of course the issue of law and order. Crime under ANC rule has spiralled out of control. Furthermore you look at the ANC’s approach to HIV Aids and through their arrogance and ignorance more people have contracted HIV and died then every person who the Nationalist Government eliminated during the Apartheid era. It was Nationlist policy like Exchange controls that actually saved this economy from the Global economic collapse – NOT the ANC. The ANC loves to take ‘credit’ for policy it never deployed which happens to work, yet quick to critize the former ‘Regime’ for everything else – this despite the fact that it was the ANC and the ANC alone who absorbed the remnants of the Nats into their bossom. Don’t be fooled – the ANC has been a failure in many respects and the primary reason for this has been the majority they have commanded. Even Abigail Abrahams herself acknowledges that there should be a strong opposition to keep the ANC in check – yet of course she will still vote for them which is the same as saying: I think Namibia Breweries with Windhoek Lager should take more market share from SABMiller, yet you still go out and purchase SAB products!!!! That is how confused she is. Simply put, the only political party in South Africa who can oppose the ANC and has been opposing the ANC is the Democratic Alliance. If you followed the recent by-elections in the Western Cape about two (2) weeks ago you will note that the ANC obtained under 2% of the vote, while COPE (ANC in disguise) obtained just under 3%. In areas that the ANC formerlly dominated the DA did not just beat the ANC, they absolutely CRUCIFIED the ANC. These areas are mainly non-white i.e. coloured areas such as Mitchell’s plain. Why since 2004 have so many non-white voters switched to the DA ? Simply put they realize that the ANC is incapable of service delivery. When you attend Rally’s like I do and hear coloured people saying things like: Bring back Apartheid!! Things were better for us then.
You got to know that the ANC has fucked up big time. As I told Abigail previously, she must prepare for a Helen Zille administration in the Western Cape because come the 22nd of April 2009 the ANC is out of business in the Western Cape and permanently. You need to look at the DA and Helen Zille’s track record to see what the DA can do in relation to the ANC. Abigail hates the DA and hates Helen Zille even more. The reason she hates Helen Zille is because here is a White woman who actually fought for the rights of non-White people through-out the Apartheid era. Here is a woman who unlike the ANC president is not tained with allegations of corruption, rape etc. These bigoted ANC supporters can find not a single piece of ‘dirt’ on Helen Zille or the DA for that matter and they fear them. They fear them because under the ANC, people like Abigail are ‘cadres’. This means she has a job provided to her by her ANC comrades. Regardless of if she performs in her job or not, as long as she is loyal to the ANC she remains in that position. The DA however believes in an open oppurtunity society and one in which the best man or woman for the job gets it – not because you passed Grade 1, can’t read or write, but know how to sing Umshini Wami. What we need in this country is SKILLED people in the position of power – not goat herders from Kwa-Zulu Natal that only passed Standard 3 or ‘youth leaders’ who obtained a ‘G’ for woodwork.
Until such time that Abigail Abrahams can provide a complete list here of reasons why you should NOT vote for the DA, the choice you have on the 22nd of April is an exceptionally easy one to make as follows:
(a) If you enjoy corruption & crime and wish for this to continue then you vote ANC.
(b) If you want this country to realize its true potential and for all its citizens to see an improvement in living standards, safety, security and most importantly a decent future for your children, then you need to vote for the only party who can oppose the ANC and that is the DA.
I have posted several times on Abigail Abraham’s blogs and she has a bad habit of ducking and diving me. Most of the valid FACTS I make here are simply ignored and then she goes on make idiotic statements such as:
We read about the arms deal, but what exactly is the problem with the deal. I’ve heard both sides explained on Capetalk and still not 100% sure of what’s going on.
She is not sure what is going on because her ANC comrades have brainwashed her. What exactly is the problem with the deal she asks ? If you ever needed a concrete piece of evidence that she is so far out of her depth in politics then this is it.
Since she is confused here and does not understand it, I would like to clear this confusion up as follows:
What is wrong in lamens terms with the Arm’s deal is that the ANC have taken over R 60 Billion worth of Tax payers money and pissed it down the drain on armaments that are currently sitting in Simons town rusting in the sea etc. Add to this a nice percentage channeled into ANC overseas bank accounts (Ask Mr. Andrew Feinstein – former ANC cadre who left the rulling party and had to flee the country because of the dirt he has on these criminals) and you left asking the question: Surely R 60.00 billion could have build a shit load of houses ???? Surely R 60.00 billion could have upgraded our ailing infrastructure ???? The list goes on …. so my friend if you want advice on politics asking any ANC supporter and racist in the form of Abigail Abrahams is the about the worst possible move you can make.
I hope I have assisted you and answered your questions.
By Abigail Abrahams on Apr 6, 2009 | Reply
Hi Clubber,
Thank you for taking the time to reply to Stormers Fan on my blog, that hopefully no one forces you to read
My opinion is as valid as yours and as Jacob Zuma’s. Whether you think it is right or wrong, it is still my opinion.
I would tell you what I think of yours, but it would waste more energy than I’m prepared to waste on someone who is rude and disrespectful of other’s opinions.
You could learn from WaZzA who has a lot more class than you have, even though I disagree with his opinions as much as I do with yours.
If you don’t like my opinions, that’s too bad. But once again thanks for the traffic!
By GAZZA on Apr 10, 2009 | Reply
Abigail-You are a total idiot.
I feel very sorry for you!
By Abigail Abrahams on Apr 11, 2009 | Reply
I feel sorry for me too, Gazza. My feet hurt, my legs hurt I’m in all kinds of post 2 Oceans hell.
Thanks for your concern.
BTW, having a DA supporter calling me an idiot is nothing new. It just shows the intolerance of that mainly white party and how they intend treating black people in this country.
I understand it’s frustration talking you’re probably a nice person, but you cannot understand how not everyone bows at the Zille throne.
By GAZZA on Apr 11, 2009 | Reply
Why u say anti white? considering u got just as much white as you do black in you..
By Abigail Abrahams on Apr 11, 2009 | Reply
I’m not anti-white, Gazza.
I’m anti-DA who not so subtlely campaign on the swart gevaar ticket.
By Anonymous on May 22, 2011 | Reply
jissie blogger, jou kop raas beslis regtig erg… eish… en kyk waar staan die DA in weskaap. n moerste majority… dankie tog nie anc nie.
By Anonymous on May 22, 2011 | Reply
by te way kyk wat se my party…
Zille: “The ANC is allowed to dance wherever they like. This is a free country. Everywhere I’ve been the ANC has followed. They find a street corner and they begin to toyi-toyi”
met ander woord, anc is bang vir ons dat ons hul mense sal afvat… foeitog